Post your atheism and flames to atheist and flame groups, John. I will
help you find some to your liking.
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:01:16 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
Upon what grounds, then, do you "form the opinion" that a standard
of
behavior is "good" as opposed to "bad"?
I told you. Reason, empathy, sympathy, love.
Those are the qualities Jesus advances.
No they aren't 'Pastor'. Belief in the Jesus myth requires the
abandonment of reason, the substitution of smug self-righteousness for
empathy and sympathy, and a VERY peculiar concept of love.
So by what reason do you reject
Him in favour of yourself?
Because Jesus is a lie 'Pastor'. A myth made up by men. Oh there was a
man by the name of Y'shua who died at Pilate's hands, but he died in
the cause of Judean nationalism, he didn't die for me.
Is this supposed tyo be convincing argument?
Let the bystander judge. You lie egregiously in these forums,
apparently unworried that your loving Jesus might disapprove. Should
the lurker be convinced by your Bible quotes and claims of love?
Do you suffer from illusions of grandeur?
Because I won't buy your fable? I've read your Bible 'Pastor'. I know
what's in there. Don't try and sell me that God is love horseshit.
Christianity is just about the least loving religion ever invented by
the mind of man.
Again, do you have any supporting argument?
History. Crusades, inquisitions, endless religious wars.
Yeah, I know, those weren't REAL Christians doing those things.
But they thought they were, just as you think you are.
That is why we ask: What would Jesus do?
You've told me what Jesus will do. Torment me for all eternity!
Again, how did you get that idea? Where does Jesus say that?
Go argue that one with your fellow Christians. Show me where
Christianity denies the threat of eternal life.
Do you want us to ask: What would John Ings do?
I wouldn't torment reasoning men for not believing exactly the right
preacher!
That leaves you out, for you are no "reasoning man" at least not in
this
post.
Then I won't be tormented with eternal life?
Your faith is evil preacher! Only in my opinion of course, but that's
why you can't sell it to me. That and the fact you've told me too many
lies.
## There would never have been an infidel,
## if there had never been a priest
Yes. And there wouldn't be any criminals if we had no justice system,
and no failures if we had no exams, grades or educational system. And
that's
no "lie" John Ings.
True. But there are justice systems and there are justice systems. You
wouldn't last five minutes under the Iranian justice system, nor would
you have lasted very long in Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia.
As for failures of the educational system, you sure make a good
example with your Creationism.
For a man without any evidence you sure do a lot of accusing, don't
you?
I have lots of evidence. You're the one without any, by your own
" All attempts to scientifically quantify the concept 'God' must of
necessity fail, because God MUST always be a matter of belief and
faith, never logic nor fact"
I quite agree 'Pastor'. There's no logic and no fact with respect to
your concept of God.
Take the
proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lead you up into the light.
A knowing liar makes me this suggestion? You think you can lie to me
about science and then persuade me to "take the proffered hand of
Jesus"?
See below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:8:15: Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Jesus in Jn:12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I
judge
him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and the one who sat
on it; the earth and the heaven fled from his presence, and no place
was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing
before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was
opened, the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their
works, as recorded in the books. 13 And the sea gave up the dead that
were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and
all were judged according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and
Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the
lake of fire; 15 and anyone whose name was not found written in the
book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
## No falsehood is so fatal as that which is made an article of faith
Thomas Paine