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Age of Aquarius
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e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 01:57:09 UTC
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Satan wasn't created to be evil. He choose it.
Why would a perfect and loving god allow his creation to
choose evil?
e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 01:57:56 UTC
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Why doesn't he simply get rid of Satan--can't he?
Can and will. On His timetable. Not yours.
That's a mighty pathetic excuse. Can't you do any better?
Starshine Moonbeam
2004-01-23 02:42:38 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
Satan wasn't created to be evil. He choose it.
Why would a perfect and loving god allow his creation to
choose evil?
1) Free will means nothing if you control everybody's actions.
2) Just because you love someone doesn't mean they'll love you back.
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e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 04:56:23 UTC
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Post by Starshine Moonbeam
Post by e***@no.spam
Satan wasn't created to be evil. He choose it.
Why would a perfect and loving god allow his creation to
choose evil?
1) Free will means nothing if you control everybody's actions.
So perfection isn't involved?
Starshine Moonbeam
2004-01-23 11:44:21 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
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Post by e***@no.spam
Satan wasn't created to be evil. He choose it.
Why would a perfect and loving god allow his creation to
choose evil?
1) Free will means nothing if you control everybody's actions.
So perfection isn't involved?
I would say yes it is. Otherwise people wouldn't be human, they'd be
autonomatons just doing things because they were directed to, not because
they want to. Satan had the choice in not continuing to make life hard
for Job. Doing so defied the will of God, so he was cast out of heaven.
However, the choice was not God's it was Satan's. Satan chose to disobey.
Satan chose to rule hell instead of serving heaven. Now God could easily
have just taken away free will and problem solved but that's not what
happened. Apparently, God wants people (and angels) to be more than just
machines that do what they're told. Hence, choice.
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e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 07:18:11 UTC
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===>Sure. After he had "risen".
Does this involve Viagra?
Yes, accompanied by electroshock.
Kinky!
Lubricant and vibrating cysts are optional, too!
What about the cross shaped dildo?
e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 07:29:57 UTC
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as are the anal rosary beads.
With thorns?
georgann
2004-01-23 11:07:57 UTC
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Satan wasn't created to be evil. He choose it.
Why would a perfect and loving god allow his creation to choose evil?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?

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e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 18:13:15 UTC
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Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking
his ego?
georgann
2004-01-23 19:06:45 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking
his ego?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?

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e***@no.spam
2004-01-23 19:20:53 UTC
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Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
Why do I need any proof? You say the bible is perfect, true, and
written by god and it says god killed many people. The little
shit also had villages invaded, everyone except the virgins
kills, and then the virgins raped and killed.

You got is quite an asshole.
Robibnikoff
2004-01-23 23:57:44 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking
his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!

Robyn
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e***@no.spam
2004-01-24 00:46:11 UTC
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Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
I don't think georgann actually reads that book. If she
does, her retention sux.
georgann
2004-01-24 01:23:51 UTC
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Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?

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e***@no.spam
2004-01-24 01:46:36 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
We're working from your viewpoint here. You claim that the bible
is 100% accurate and yet you ask for proof that your god ever
killed someone.
Elroy Willis
2004-01-24 02:29:14 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it
as proof of everything it says?
We're working from your viewpoint here. You claim that the bible
is 100% accurate and yet you ask for proof that your god ever
killed someone.
She obviously ignores those parts.
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Bob Officer
2004-01-24 11:40:16 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:23:51 GMT, in alt.astrology, georgann
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Do you understand the word *contradiction*?
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georgann
2004-01-24 12:54:27 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Do you understand the word *contradiction*?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Do you understand the word *consistency.

If you intend to use the Bible in making a case against God for the killing
of the people in the flood or any other Biblically recorded event, then you
cannot so glibly discount the Bible on any matter.

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Bob Officer
2004-01-24 13:05:55 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:54:27 GMT, in alt.astrology, georgann
Post by georgann
Post by Bob Officer
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Do you understand the word *contradiction*?
Do you understand the word *consistency.
If you intend to use the Bible in making a case against God for the killing
of the people in the flood or any other Biblically recorded event, then you
cannot so glibly discount the Bible on any matter.
The bible is only consistent in one way. its contradictions.
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e***@no.spam
2004-01-24 19:07:27 UTC
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Post by georgann
Do you understand the word *consistency.
Do you? If so, how did Judas die?
Post by georgann
If you intend to use the Bible in making a case against God for the killing
of the people in the flood or any other Biblically recorded event, then you
cannot so glibly discount the Bible on any matter.
We are arguing from *your* assumption, silly. Do you understand that?
Mark K. Bilbo
2004-01-25 03:08:42 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by Bob Officer
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Do you understand the word *contradiction*?
Do you understand the word *consistency.
If you intend to use the Bible in making a case against God for the killing
of the people in the flood or any other Biblically recorded event, then you
cannot so glibly discount the Bible on any matter.
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing in
them.

Maybe you really *are incapable of understanding this concept and have a
serious problem distinguishing reality and fantasy. But it *is possible
for normal people to discuss fictional characters WITHOUT accepting them
as real.
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Elroy Willis
2004-01-25 15:09:19 UTC
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing
in them.
No we can't... Hmph!

BTW, do you think Superman looks better with a red cape or a
blue cape? And what about his boots?
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Mark K. Bilbo
2004-01-25 16:48:27 UTC
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And so upon Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:09:19 +0000 didst Elroy Willis speak
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing
in them.
No we can't... Hmph!
BTW, do you think Superman looks better with a red cape or a
blue cape? And what about his boots?
I think he looks a *lot better on Smallville...
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Elroy Willis
2004-01-26 11:24:48 UTC
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing
in them.
No we can't... Hmph!
BTW, do you think Superman looks better with a red cape or a
blue cape? And what about his boots?
I think he looks a *lot better on Smallville...
Dean Cain was too old for you?
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Mark K. Bilbo
2004-01-26 18:01:30 UTC
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And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:24:48 +0000 didst Elroy Willis speak
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing
in them.
No we can't... Hmph!
BTW, do you think Superman looks better with a red cape or a
blue cape? And what about his boots?
I think he looks a *lot better on Smallville...
Dean Cain was too old for you?
Dean Cain?

Dean Cain.

Dean Cain!






I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
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Elroy Willis
2004-01-26 18:18:05 UTC
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing
in them.
No we can't... Hmph!
BTW, do you think Superman looks better with a red cape or a
blue cape? And what about his boots?
I think he looks a *lot better on Smallville...
Dean Cain was too old for you?
Dean Cain?
Dean Cain.
Dean Cain!
I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
Imaginary characters. <tap tap>
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Mark K. Bilbo
2004-01-26 23:23:17 UTC
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And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:18:05 +0000 didst Elroy Willis speak
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
No, you idiot. We can talk about imaginary characters without believing
in them.
No we can't... Hmph!
BTW, do you think Superman looks better with a red cape or a
blue cape? And what about his boots?
I think he looks a *lot better on Smallville...
Dean Cain was too old for you?
Dean Cain?
Dean Cain.
Dean Cain!
I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
Imaginary characters. <tap tap>
Aren't we always?
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Elroy Willis
2004-01-25 15:07:04 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by Bob Officer
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Do you understand the word *contradiction*?
Do you understand the word *consistency.
If you intend to use the Bible in making a case against God for the killing
of the people in the flood or any other Biblically recorded event, then you
cannot so glibly discount the Bible on any matter.
In between all the fabricated lies and obvious myths in the Bible,
there are actually a few historical events that can be corroborated.
That doesn't mean that the Bible is 100% true in everything it says,
but you seem to think so, for some reason.
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Jim Phillips
2004-01-25 15:51:19 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by Bob Officer
Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Do you understand the word *contradiction*?
Do you understand the word *consistency.
If you intend to use the Bible in making a case against God for the killing
of the people in the flood or any other Biblically recorded event, then you
cannot so glibly discount the Bible on any matter.
Sure you can--you can point out the inconsistencies in a religion
without actually believing the religion (presumably you do the same thing
when you discuss the flaws in Islam).

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"Just think, right now, all over the world, there are people exercising
bad judgment. Somebody, right at this minute, is probably making the
mistake of his life." -- George Carlin
Mark K. Bilbo
2004-01-25 03:06:34 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Lissen, stupid crazy lady...

The *myths say this god thing killed people. Damn you have a *hell of time
understanding that it is possible to make statements about imaginary
beings *without* believing they are real.

By the way, you know there are some very good anti-psychotics on the
market these days that could probably help you with that reality problem...
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Jim Phillips
2004-01-25 15:47:54 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by Robibnikoff
Post by georgann
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
It's in the bible. Duh!
If you'd accept the Bible as proof of that why do you not accept it as proof
of everything it says?
Just trying to understand how someone like you who claims the bible
is the 100% true word of god can say something like "What proof do you have
that God ever killed anyone?" even though there are many instances in your
holy book where god kills people (Noah's flood was the biggest body count).

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bad judgment. Somebody, right at this minute, is probably making the
mistake of his life." -- George Carlin
Elroy Willis
2004-01-24 02:27:51 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by e***@no.spam
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking
his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
Who killed/defeated Satan?
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Ross
2004-01-24 02:40:58 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by e***@no.spam
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking
his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
Oh, there was the flood, Sodom & Gamorrha, instructions on rape and pillage
given to the tribes of Israel in Numbers 31:7

"And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and
they slew all the males."

Not only that they were commanded to rape all the virgins, but that isn't
killing, strictly speaking.

R.
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Jim Phillips
2004-01-25 15:42:55 UTC
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Post by georgann
Post by e***@no.spam
Post by georgann
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
Why would a perfect and loving god kill people for not stroking
his ego?
What proof do you have that God ever killed anyone?
Did Noah's flood actually occur? What about the Plagues
of Egypt? The bible is filled with instances of your god killing
people (he even had some bears kill children because the children
laughed at a bald man--talk about evil!).

--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Just think, right now, all over the world, there are people exercising
bad judgment. Somebody, right at this minute, is probably making the
mistake of his life." -- George Carlin
Jim Phillips
2004-01-25 15:21:49 UTC
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Post by georgann
Satan wasn't created to be evil. He choose it.
Why would a perfect and loving god allow his creation to choose evil?
How could you consider God perfect and loving is He did not permit the
choice?
How could you consider god perfect and loving if he ever allowed
Satan to harm anyone? Isn't it immoral (even evil) to allow evil to occur
when it's in your power to prevent it?

--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Just think, right now, all over the world, there are people exercising
bad judgment. Somebody, right at this minute, is probably making the
mistake of his life." -- George Carlin
e***@no.spam
2004-02-07 23:27:35 UTC
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Man is also a creative being (in the image of God).
No, God was created in man's image.
So what have you wrought today?
I have created something that you probably use almost every day.
Al Klein
2004-02-08 06:25:05 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
Man is also a creative being (in the image of God).
No, God was created in man's image.
So what have you wrought today?
I have created something that you probably use almost every day.
YOU created stupidity?
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comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
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e***@no.spam
2004-02-08 07:03:38 UTC
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Post by Al Klein
YOU created stupidity?
No, that was created long before I was born.
Al Klein
2004-02-08 20:48:26 UTC
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Post by e***@no.spam
Post by Al Klein
YOU created stupidity?
No, that was created long before I was born.
So you're younger than georgann. She's so good at it, she MUST have
invented it.
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