Christian crusaders go to battle over spanking

[Pastor Frank]

In my book and in my agenda, spanking IS equivalent to beating. It is
striking a child in anger all in the name of "I love you," and "this is
for your own good," and "you will thank me later." No thanks. Not in
my family. Spanking does leave a mark on a child........not one you
can see though. I am no busybody......far be it from me to tell
another parent they cannot spank their child.......I don't spank mine,
never have had to resort to hitting my son to make him shape up. And I
never will. He knows his limits and his boundaries and they were set
very early in life and ALWAYS reinforced. It suits your agenda to
believe abortion is murder. Fine........believe as you see fit and
what you can live with when you look in the mirror. Whipping a horse
in my opinion is akin to whipping a child......and if the Bible says to
whip a horse, well........the Bible is flat out wrong.
God/Jesus/authors of the Bible didn't have a clue about how to make a
1200 lb animal stay within it's boundaries....and since they couldn't
train a horse properly, well, it's safe to say they don't know a hell
of a lot about raising kids.
And besides, what kind of sadistic pleasure does an adult get while
beating that child? Surely there has to be some pleasure in the actual
act or the adult wouldn't do it.

Like I said your definition of spanking is beating or "whipping" a
child
black and blue, our Christian definition of spanking is a slap on the bum
and a hug. Most anti-spankers are into head-games and psychological abuse
of
children.

And there is a an excellent example of the evil of violence. You
cannot justify the violence so you have to resort to hatred and lies
about people who dare to criticize your use of violence.
The number of people hurt, beaten, and even killed in the name of
Christian "love" is legion.

Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs. Many of us alive today had to suffer atheist
persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents, teachers and
employers for mentioning anything religious in their presence. Those in
Communist countries often were killed.
You posting atheist hate to our pristine Christian NGs makes you a
troll. Please post atheism and hate to atheist and flame groups. thanks. I
will post you over to some more suitable groups.

[Steve Mading]

Post by Pastor Frank
Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs. Many of us alive today had to suffer atheist
persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents, teachers and
employers for mentioning anything religious in their presence. Those in
Communist countries often were killed.

Can you even write one paragraph without including over three lies in it?

[Masked Avenger]

Post by Pastor Frank

And there is a an excellent example of the evil of violence. You
cannot justify the violence so you have to resort to hatred and lies
about people who dare to criticize your use of violence.
The number of people hurt, beaten, and even killed in the name of
Christian "love" is legion.

Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs. Many of us alive today had to suffer atheist
persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents, teachers and
employers for mentioning anything religious in their presence. Those in
Communist countries often were killed.

Why no mention of the Christians slaughtered by other Christians ? What
do you think the '30 Years War' was ! Catholics killing Protestants,
Protestants killing Catholics ...... The Inquisition ? Not a lot of
Christian love there ........ History is littered with Religious
intolerance, an awful lot of which was perpetrated by Christians
.....Slavery ( and all its horrors )in the Confederacy was justified by
good old Southern Baptist Christianity ...... The Pope in the Middle
Ages had his own 'Slave Fleet' ...... do you want me to go on ?

Just for the record, Atheism is NOT a religion, why should it have
martyrs ? Get an education !

Post by Pastor Frank
You posting atheist hate to our pristine Christian NGs makes you a
troll. Please post atheism and hate to atheist and flame groups. thanks. I
will post you over to some more suitable groups.

' Pristine Christian NG's ' ?! ROFLMAO .... when I want to see hatred
and intolerance,( not to mention illiteracy ) that's where I go ......

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Pastor Frank

And there is a an excellent example of the evil of violence. You
cannot justify the violence so you have to resort to hatred and lies
about people who dare to criticize your use of violence.
The number of people hurt, beaten, and even killed in the name of
Christian "love" is legion.

Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs. Many of us alive today had to suffer
atheist persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents,
teachers and employers for mentioning anything religious in their
presence. Those in Communist countries often were killed.

Why no mention of the Christians slaughtered by other Christians ? What do
you think the '30 Years War' was ! Catholics killing Protestants,
Protestants killing Catholics ...... The Inquisition ? Not a lot of
Christian love there ........ History is littered with Religious
intolerance, an awful lot of which was perpetrated by Christians
.....Slavery ( and all its horrors )in the Confederacy was justified by
good old Southern Baptist Christianity ...... The Pope in the Middle Ages
had his own 'Slave Fleet' ...... do you want me to go on ?
Just for the record, Atheism is NOT a religion, why should it have martyrs
? Get an education !

Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout unproved
assertion and opinions based on belief and faith alone, like: "There ain't
no god(s)", it's a religion.
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians can
tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet not only
doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ taught.

Post by Pastor Frank
You posting atheist hate to our pristine Christian NGs makes you a
troll. Please post atheism and hate to atheist and flame groups. thanks.
I will post you over to some more suitable groups.

'Pristine Christian NG's ' ?! ROFLMAO .... when I want to see hatred and
intolerance,( not to mention illiteracy ) that's where I go ......

The most intolerant people using the most vile language to trash other
people's gods, beliefs and faith, besides flaming them unmercifully are
atheists.

[Masked Avenger]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank

And there is a an excellent example of the evil of violence. You
cannot justify the violence so you have to resort to hatred and lies
about people who dare to criticize your use of violence.
The number of people hurt, beaten, and even killed in the name of
Christian "love" is legion.

Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs. Many of us alive today had to suffer
atheist persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents,
teachers and employers for mentioning anything religious in their
presence. Those in Communist countries often were killed.

Why no mention of the Christians slaughtered by other Christians ? What do
you think the '30 Years War' was ! Catholics killing Protestants,
Protestants killing Catholics ...... The Inquisition ? Not a lot of
Christian love there ........ History is littered with Religious
intolerance, an awful lot of which was perpetrated by Christians
.....Slavery ( and all its horrors )in the Confederacy was justified by
good old Southern Baptist Christianity ...... The Pope in the Middle Ages
had his own 'Slave Fleet' ...... do you want me to go on ?
Just for the record, Atheism is NOT a religion, why should it have martyrs
? Get an education !

Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout unproved
assertion and opinions based on belief and faith alone, like: "There ain't
no god(s)", it's a religion.

I find it strange how you just described Atheism in terms that exactly
mirror Religion. It seems you are not capable of reasoning other than in
these boundaries.

There are hundreds of different 'Religions', each containing numerous
'sects'. They all claim to be in possession of the 'truth'. As an
outsider, say an Alien or someone who has no religion ( an Atheist ? ),
how do you tell which one is telling the REAL truth ? One may be, but
they all can't be right. They ALL have their miracles ( yes, even
Mohamed could perform miracles ) and so called 'holy' scriptures. They
all claim they are right and everyone else is wrong.....

I don't see now, nor have ever seen, any evidence that ANY of them are
in possession of the 'truth'. I don't see any evidence of God(s)
anywhere, as far as I can tell there is/are no God(s), therefore, I have
no Religion, and can be fairly called an Atheist. The point is, it is
not based on faith or belief, it is based on common sense.

Post by Pastor Frank
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians can
tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet not only
doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ taught.

....and those 'Christians' who may be Satan's minions are calling you
the same thing, how can I tell which one of you is or is not one of
these Minions ?
To me it's just like watching two kids playing " he says - she says "...
Both sides cite the SAME scripture ! Both sides claim their
interpretation is the only correct one ..... very confusing...

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank
You posting atheist hate to our pristine Christian NGs makes you a
troll. Please post atheism and hate to atheist and flame groups. thanks.
I will post you over to some more suitable groups.

'Pristine Christian NG's ' ?! ROFLMAO .... when I want to see hatred and
intolerance,( not to mention illiteracy ) that's where I go ......

The most intolerant people using the most vile language to trash other
people's gods, beliefs and faith, besides flaming them unmercifully are
atheists.

Isn't that strange, in the NON religious NG's, the same can be said for
the Religious Fundamentalists who troll there. But the best laughs come
from the 'Christian' NG's ..... watching a Flame War in there can be
very enlightening...... they can reach levels of trash and stupidity you
just can't find anywhere else.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank
Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout
"There ain't no god(s)", it's a religion.

I find it strange how you just described Atheism in terms that exactly
mirror Religion. It seems you are not capable of reasoning other than in
these boundaries.
There are hundreds of different 'Religions', each containing numerous
'sects'. They all claim to be in possession of the 'truth'. As an
outsider, say an Alien or someone who has no religion ( an Atheist ? ),
how do you tell which one is telling the REAL truth ? One may be, but they
all can't be right. They ALL have their miracles ( yes, even Mohamed could
perform miracles ) and so called 'holy' scriptures. They all claim they
are right and everyone else is wrong.....
I don't see now, nor have ever seen, any evidence that ANY of them are in
possession of the 'truth'. I don't see any evidence of God(s) anywhere, as
far as I can tell there is/are no God(s), therefore, I have no Religion,
and can be fairly called an Atheist. The point is, it is not based on
faith or belief, it is based on common sense.

Post by Pastor Frank
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians can
tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet not only
doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ taught.

....and those 'Christians' who may be Satan's minions are calling you the
same thing, how can I tell which one of you is or is not one of these
Minions ?
To me it's just like watching two kids playing " he says - she says "...
Both sides cite the SAME scripture ! Both sides claim their interpretation
is the only correct one ..... very confusing...

Are into complaining eternally because all religions nor all
religionists aren't cut by the same cookie cutter? Just imagine: There you
are in this vast supermarket of ideas / ideals and you have to make up your
mind not only about which ideas / ideals are best, but which method to
achieve them is best.
Are you an indecisive person, one who vacillates and can't make up his
mind when confronted with choices? It took me 30 years to sift through the
material in the world's supermarket of ideas / ideals and make a choice. How
long will it take you?
Or then again you could shorten your search by accepting one on
intuition. I didn't for I was an atheist and proud of it, till the day I
stumbled, and Christ helped me up, consoling me while dusting me off. He
stopped to cheer me up and made sure I was all right before sending me on my
way.
It was then I knew who loved me unconditionally and my mind was made up.
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

[Masked Avenger]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank
Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout
"There ain't no god(s)", it's a religion.

I find it strange how you just described Atheism in terms that exactly
mirror Religion. It seems you are not capable of reasoning other than in
these boundaries.
There are hundreds of different 'Religions', each containing numerous
'sects'. They all claim to be in possession of the 'truth'. As an
outsider, say an Alien or someone who has no religion ( an Atheist ? ),
how do you tell which one is telling the REAL truth ? One may be, but they
all can't be right. They ALL have their miracles ( yes, even Mohamed could
perform miracles ) and so called 'holy' scriptures. They all claim they
are right and everyone else is wrong.....
I don't see now, nor have ever seen, any evidence that ANY of them are in
possession of the 'truth'. I don't see any evidence of God(s) anywhere, as
far as I can tell there is/are no God(s), therefore, I have no Religion,
and can be fairly called an Atheist. The point is, it is not based on
faith or belief, it is based on common sense.

Post by Pastor Frank
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians can
tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet not only
doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ taught.

....and those 'Christians' who may be Satan's minions are calling you the
same thing, how can I tell which one of you is or is not one of these
Minions ?
To me it's just like watching two kids playing " he says - she says "...
Both sides cite the SAME scripture ! Both sides claim their interpretation
is the only correct one ..... very confusing...

Are into complaining eternally because all religions nor all
religionists aren't cut by the same cookie cutter? Just imagine: There you
are in this vast supermarket of ideas / ideals and you have to make up your
mind not only about which ideas / ideals are best, but which method to
achieve them is best.
Are you an indecisive person, one who vacillates and can't make up his
mind when confronted with choices? It took me 30 years to sift through the
material in the world's supermarket of ideas / ideals and make a choice. How
long will it take you?
Or then again you could shorten your search by accepting one on
intuition. I didn't for I was an atheist and proud of it, till the day I
stumbled, and Christ helped me up, consoling me while dusting me off. He
stopped to cheer me up and made sure I was all right before sending me on my
way.
It was then I knew who loved me unconditionally and my mind was made up.
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

Thanks for the advice ....... but it doesn't convince me, I've seen avid
Fundamentalist Christians become Atheists and Vica Versa, Christians
become Muslims and Vica Versa and a few even more bizarre conversions...
( I live in a very multi-cultural area ). Even my brother went through
it ( I consider him a hell of a lot smarter than me ), one day he came
home and announced he had joined the the local Fundamentalist Church. He
lasted all of 2 months before he renounced the whole show, it seems they
were not impressed by his habit of asking questions ........it actually
got violent...... and my brother is not an aggressive person.

I don't doubt your sincerity, I haven't met a deeply religious person
yet who wasn't sincere in his/her belief. Which of the 2,000 + Christian
sects do you suggest I try first ? Should I work my way through all of
them ? What if I tried Islam first and was taken in by it's teachings ?
( this is purely hypothetical, Islam is NOT my favourite religion )I
don't believe it has anything to do with indecision, it's more like I
have decided to NOT take part in any religions. I don't see the need for
it. I can quite happily exist with my present cosmology......

My mind isn't closed to the concept of God, but it's going to have to
take a mighty big revelation to convince me, right now, I am
unconvinced. Oh, and please don't suggest I try reading the bible, I
already have and for reasons that would take up too much bandwidth,
don't accept it is anything other than Bronze Age Fairy Tales.....

[Phÿltêr]

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank
Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout
"There ain't no god(s)", it's a religion.

I find it strange how you just described Atheism in terms that exactly
mirror Religion. It seems you are not capable of reasoning other than
in these boundaries.
There are hundreds of different 'Religions', each containing numerous
'sects'. They all claim to be in possession of the 'truth'. As an
outsider, say an Alien or someone who has no religion ( an Atheist ? ),
how do you tell which one is telling the REAL truth ? One may be, but
they all can't be right. They ALL have their miracles ( yes, even
Mohamed could perform miracles ) and so called 'holy' scriptures. They
all claim they are right and everyone else is wrong.....
I don't see now, nor have ever seen, any evidence that ANY of them are
in possession of the 'truth'. I don't see any evidence of God(s)
anywhere, as far as I can tell there is/are no God(s), therefore, I
have no Religion, and can be fairly called an Atheist. The point is, it
is not based on faith or belief, it is based on common sense.

Post by Pastor Frank
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians
can tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet
not only doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ
taught.

....and those 'Christians' who may be Satan's minions are calling you
the same thing, how can I tell which one of you is or is not one of
these Minions ?
To me it's just like watching two kids playing " he says - she says
"... Both sides cite the SAME scripture ! Both sides claim their
interpretation is the only correct one ..... very confusing...

Are into complaining eternally because all religions nor all
religionists aren't cut by the same cookie cutter? Just imagine: There
you are in this vast supermarket of ideas / ideals and you have to make
up your mind not only about which ideas / ideals are best, but which
method to achieve them is best.
Are you an indecisive person, one who vacillates and can't make up his
mind when confronted with choices? It took me 30 years to sift through
the material in the world's supermarket of ideas / ideals and make a
choice. How long will it take you?
Or then again you could shorten your search by accepting one on
intuition. I didn't for I was an atheist and proud of it, till the day
I stumbled, and Christ helped me up, consoling me while dusting me off.
He stopped to cheer me up and made sure I was all right before sending
me on my way.
It was then I knew who loved me unconditionally and my mind was made up.
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

Thanks for the advice ....... but it doesn't convince me, I've seen avid
Fundamentalist Christians become Atheists and Vica Versa, Christians
become Muslims and Vica Versa and a few even more bizarre conversions...
( I live in a very multi-cultural area ). Even my brother went through
it ( I consider him a hell of a lot smarter than me ), one day he came
home and announced he had joined the the local Fundamentalist Church. He
lasted all of 2 months before he renounced the whole show, it seems they
were not impressed by his habit of asking questions ........it actually
got violent...... and my brother is not an aggressive person.
I don't doubt your sincerity, I haven't met a deeply religious person
yet who wasn't sincere in his/her belief. Which of the 2,000 + Christian
sects do you suggest I try first ? Should I work my way through all of
them ? What if I tried Islam first and was taken in by it's teachings ?
( this is purely hypothetical, Islam is NOT my favourite religion )I
don't believe it has anything to do with indecision, it's more like I
have decided to NOT take part in any religions. I don't see the need for
it. I can quite happily exist with my present cosmology......
My mind isn't closed to the concept of God, but it's going to have to
take a mighty big revelation to convince me, right now, I am
unconvinced. Oh, and please don't suggest I try reading the bible, I
already have and for reasons that would take up too much bandwidth,
don't accept it is anything other than Bronze Age Fairy Tales.....

Don't listen to Phrank, he's just a lying cunt

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank
Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout
"There ain't no god(s)", it's a religion.

I find it strange how you just described Atheism in terms that exactly
mirror Religion. It seems you are not capable of reasoning other than
in these boundaries.
There are hundreds of different 'Religions', each containing numerous
'sects'. They all claim to be in possession of the 'truth'. As an
outsider, say an Alien or someone who has no religion ( an Atheist ? ),
how do you tell which one is telling the REAL truth ? One may be, but
they all can't be right. They ALL have their miracles ( yes, even
Mohamed could perform miracles ) and so called 'holy' scriptures. They
all claim they are right and everyone else is wrong.....
I don't see now, nor have ever seen, any evidence that ANY of them are
in possession of the 'truth'. I don't see any evidence of God(s)
anywhere, as far as I can tell there is/are no God(s), therefore, I
have no Religion, and can be fairly called an Atheist. The point is, it
is not based on faith or belief, it is based on common sense.

Post by Pastor Frank
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians
can tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet
not only doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ
taught.

....and those 'Christians' who may be Satan's minions are calling you
the same thing, how can I tell which one of you is or is not one of
these Minions ?
To me it's just like watching two kids playing " he says - she says
"... Both sides cite the SAME scripture ! Both sides claim their
interpretation is the only correct one ..... very confusing...

Are into complaining eternally because all religions nor all
religionists aren't cut by the same cookie cutter? Just imagine: There
you are in this vast supermarket of ideas / ideals and you have to make
up your mind not only about which ideas / ideals are best, but which
method to achieve them is best.
Are you an indecisive person, one who vacillates and can't make up his
mind when confronted with choices? It took me 30 years to sift through
the material in the world's supermarket of ideas / ideals and make a
choice. How long will it take you?
Or then again you could shorten your search by accepting one on
intuition. I didn't for I was an atheist and proud of it, till the day
I stumbled, and Christ helped me up, consoling me while dusting me off.
He stopped to cheer me up and made sure I was all right before sending
me on my way.
It was then I knew who loved me unconditionally and my mind was made up.
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

Thanks for the advice ....... but it doesn't convince me, I've seen avid
Fundamentalist Christians become Atheists and Vica Versa, Christians
become Muslims and Vica Versa and a few even more bizarre conversions...
( I live in a very multi-cultural area ). Even my brother went through
it ( I consider him a hell of a lot smarter than me ), one day he came
home and announced he had joined the the local Fundamentalist Church. He
lasted all of 2 months before he renounced the whole show, it seems they
were not impressed by his habit of asking questions ........it actually
got violent...... and my brother is not an aggressive person.
I don't doubt your sincerity, I haven't met a deeply religious person
yet who wasn't sincere in his/her belief. Which of the 2,000 + Christian
sects do you suggest I try first ? Should I work my way through all of
them ? What if I tried Islam first and was taken in by it's teachings ?
( this is purely hypothetical, Islam is NOT my favourite religion )I
don't believe it has anything to do with indecision, it's more like I
have decided to NOT take part in any religions. I don't see the need for
it. I can quite happily exist with my present cosmology......
My mind isn't closed to the concept of God, but it's going to have to
take a mighty big revelation to convince me, right now, I am
unconvinced. Oh, and please don't suggest I try reading the bible, I
already have and for reasons that would take up too much bandwidth,
don't accept it is anything other than Bronze Age Fairy Tales.....

Most of the great religious texts are older than bronze age, yet had and
still have a profound effect upon the quality of behaviour of people. It's
because religion deals with values and ideals which haven't changed since
the beginning of mankind. It's just that they need reiteration, much like a
parent telling each child individually to be a good child, demonstrating the
meaning of good in their demeanour, so too do the great religious reformers
motivate people to pursue the good, and eschew evil.
That god of your definition is probably something concrete, along the
lines of Zeus or Odin etc. and they don't exist. Our Christian God is
abstract, the quality love, which became fully manifested in Jesus Christ
our Lord and Saviour on the cross of Calvary (1 John 4:8,16). Through the
actions of Christ we know in faith that ideal love exists, and it's up to us
to make it our reality.
Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates them
for you?

[Masked Avenger]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Masked Avenger

Post by Pastor Frank
Yes. Get an education by all means. As long as atheists spout
"There ain't no god(s)", it's a religion.

I find it strange how you just described Atheism in terms that exactly
mirror Religion. It seems you are not capable of reasoning other than
in these boundaries.
There are hundreds of different 'Religions', each containing numerous
'sects'. They all claim to be in possession of the 'truth'. As an
outsider, say an Alien or someone who has no religion ( an Atheist ? ),
how do you tell which one is telling the REAL truth ? One may be, but
they all can't be right. They ALL have their miracles ( yes, even
Mohamed could perform miracles ) and so called 'holy' scriptures. They
all claim they are right and everyone else is wrong.....
I don't see now, nor have ever seen, any evidence that ANY of them are
in possession of the 'truth'. I don't see any evidence of God(s)
anywhere, as far as I can tell there is/are no God(s), therefore, I
have no Religion, and can be fairly called an Atheist. The point is, it
is not based on faith or belief, it is based on common sense.

Post by Pastor Frank
Just because someone calls himself a Christian or an atheist or any
other designation, he ain't neccessarily one. At least we Christians
can tell Satan's minions by their calling themselves Christians, yet
not only doing, but justify doing the opposite from what Christ
taught.

....and those 'Christians' who may be Satan's minions are calling you
the same thing, how can I tell which one of you is or is not one of
these Minions ?
To me it's just like watching two kids playing " he says - she says
"... Both sides cite the SAME scripture ! Both sides claim their
interpretation is the only correct one ..... very confusing...

Are into complaining eternally because all religions nor all
religionists aren't cut by the same cookie cutter? Just imagine: There
you are in this vast supermarket of ideas / ideals and you have to make
up your mind not only about which ideas / ideals are best, but which
method to achieve them is best.
Are you an indecisive person, one who vacillates and can't make up his
mind when confronted with choices? It took me 30 years to sift through
the material in the world's supermarket of ideas / ideals and make a
choice. How long will it take you?
Or then again you could shorten your search by accepting one on
intuition. I didn't for I was an atheist and proud of it, till the day
I stumbled, and Christ helped me up, consoling me while dusting me off.
He stopped to cheer me up and made sure I was all right before sending
me on my way.
It was then I knew who loved me unconditionally and my mind was made up.
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

Thanks for the advice ....... but it doesn't convince me, I've seen avid
Fundamentalist Christians become Atheists and Vica Versa, Christians
become Muslims and Vica Versa and a few even more bizarre conversions...
( I live in a very multi-cultural area ). Even my brother went through
it ( I consider him a hell of a lot smarter than me ), one day he came
home and announced he had joined the the local Fundamentalist Church. He
lasted all of 2 months before he renounced the whole show, it seems they
were not impressed by his habit of asking questions ........it actually
got violent...... and my brother is not an aggressive person.
I don't doubt your sincerity, I haven't met a deeply religious person
yet who wasn't sincere in his/her belief. Which of the 2,000 + Christian
sects do you suggest I try first ? Should I work my way through all of
them ? What if I tried Islam first and was taken in by it's teachings ?
( this is purely hypothetical, Islam is NOT my favourite religion )I
don't believe it has anything to do with indecision, it's more like I
have decided to NOT take part in any religions. I don't see the need for
it. I can quite happily exist with my present cosmology......
My mind isn't closed to the concept of God, but it's going to have to
take a mighty big revelation to convince me, right now, I am
unconvinced. Oh, and please don't suggest I try reading the bible, I
already have and for reasons that would take up too much bandwidth,
don't accept it is anything other than Bronze Age Fairy Tales.....

Most of the great religious texts are older than bronze age, yet had and
still have a profound effect upon the quality of behaviour of people. It's
because religion deals with values and ideals which haven't changed since
the beginning of mankind. It's just that they need reiteration, much like a
parent telling each child individually to be a good child, demonstrating the
meaning of good in their demeanour, so too do the great religious reformers
motivate people to pursue the good, and eschew evil.
That god of your definition is probably something concrete, along the
lines of Zeus or Odin etc. and they don't exist. Our Christian God is
abstract, the quality love, which became fully manifested in Jesus Christ
our Lord and Saviour on the cross of Calvary (1 John 4:8,16). Through the
actions of Christ we know in faith that ideal love exists, and it's up to us
to make it our reality.
Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates them
for you?

My real father ........ that's all I need ( BTW, he's an atheist too )

[Phÿltêr]

Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates

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them
for you?

My real father ........ that's all I need ( BTW, he's an atheist too )

<Clutches face in hands> Do you mean to say that your father doesn't believe
in religious bullshit nonsense as well????

[Pastor Frank]

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Post by Pastor Frank
Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates
them for you?

My real father ........ that's all I need ( BTW, he's an atheist too )

<Clutches face in hands> Do you mean to say that your father doesn't believe
in religious bullshit nonsense as well????

There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first one?
Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only know what
they hate?
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift you
out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

Post by Phÿltêr
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond

[Wortenheimer]

Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift you out of the
pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

i think everyone should take my hand and a cup of kool-aid. mine is the
church of misanthropy and we're better than your church.

[graham]

Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift you out of the
pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care? It'll cost you only 10%
of your income.

[Charles & Mambo Duckman]

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There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first one?
Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only know what
they hate?
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift you
out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

For the same reason you don't grab the proffered hand of Allah, one of the
dozens of proffered hands of Shiva, a proffered fist of Thor, etc.

[Masked Avenger]

Pastor Frank wrote:

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Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates
them for you?

My real father ........ that's all I need ( BTW, he's an atheist too )

<Clutches face in hands> Do you mean to say that your father doesn't believe
in religious bullshit nonsense as well????

There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first one?
Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only know what
they hate?

Phÿltêr didn't answer the questions ( though I got a chuckle from his
post ) because they weren't directed at him....... they were directed at
me .......
Sorry Frank, I thought you'd understand that the answer kind of covers
both questions, i.e. It's my father's ideals I seek to live up to AND he
demonstrated them to me for most of my life .......

Post by Pastor Frank
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift you
out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

Hey, it's nice and warm down here in the pit, I kind of like it .......
( I know this last comment from Frank was probably directed at Phÿltêr,
but I couldn't resist...... )

[Pastor Frank]

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There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first
one? Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only
know what they hate?

Sorry Frank, I thought you'd understand that the answer kind of covers
both questions, i.e. It's my father's ideals I seek to live up to AND he
demonstrated them to me for most of my life .......

Aren't you lucky to have a perfect earthly father who laid down his life
for you so that you might "live, and that more abundantly". Most us don't.
Either that, or you are in that very young age when all Dads are perfect.
But then again you might be old and your standards low, so you can feel good
about yourself for being such a smart and sly bugger who manages to get away
with near everything. You don't give much of a clue.
We would rather live up to the standard of Christ, which means simple
and true honesty and loving care from the heart, no matter what the reasons
to be sly and cunning instead.

Pastor Frank

It's not hypocritical to set high goals and occasionally fail. It is
hypocritical though to set low goals and occasionally succeed.
--Anon--

[Masked Avenger]

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There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first
one? Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only
know what they hate?

Sorry Frank, I thought you'd understand that the answer kind of covers
both questions, i.e. It's my father's ideals I seek to live up to AND he
demonstrated them to me for most of my life .......

Aren't you lucky to have a perfect earthly father who laid down his life
for you so that you might "live, and that more abundantly". Most us don't.

He died of a heart attack 11 years ago, he didn't do it for me you moron !

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Either that, or you are in that very young age when all Dads are perfect.
But then again you might be old and your standards low, so you can feel good
about yourself for being such a smart and sly bugger who manages to get away
with near everything. You don't give much of a clue.

Frank, you've crossed the line here..... just to clear it up for your
diseased little mind ...... my father never drank alcohol nor touched
tobacco EVER ! He devoted large amounts of his spare time towards things
like The Boy Scouts and local charities, he held a Masters Degree in
Economics was always fair and honest ...... AND he was AN ATHEIST ! DO
you understand Frank ?! He was a LIVING example to follow, not some
BULLSHIT incompetent Sky Pixie.....

As for your projections about me being a 'smart and sly bugger ', well,
you got the smart bit right ...... at least when compared to you, I'm a
qualified Electrical Engineer Frank, my job sends me all over the world,
what have you achieved ?

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We would rather live up to the standard of Christ, which means simple
and true honesty and loving care from the heart, no matter what the reasons
to be sly and cunning instead.
Pastor Frank
It's not hypocritical to set high goals and occasionally fail. It is
hypocritical though to set low goals and occasionally succeed.
--Anon--

Well then, I think I can safely call you a Hypocrite ......

[Phÿltêr]

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There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first
one? Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and
only know what they hate?

Sorry Frank, I thought you'd understand that the answer kind of covers
both questions, i.e. It's my father's ideals I seek to live up to AND
he demonstrated them to me for most of my life .......

Aren't you lucky to have a perfect earthly father who laid down his life
for you so that you might "live, and that more abundantly". Most us don't.

He died of a heart attack 11 years ago, he didn't do it for me you moron !

Post by Pastor Frank
Either that, or you are in that very young age when all Dads are
perfect. But then again you might be old and your standards low, so you
can feel good about yourself for being such a smart and sly bugger who
manages to get away with near everything. You don't give much of a
clue.

Frank, you've crossed the line here..... just to clear it up for your
diseased little mind ...... my father never drank alcohol nor touched
tobacco EVER ! He devoted large amounts of his spare time towards things
like The Boy Scouts and local charities, he held a Masters Degree in
Economics was always fair and honest ...... AND he was AN ATHEIST ! DO
you understand Frank ?! He was a LIVING example to follow, not some
BULLSHIT incompetent Sky Pixie.....
As for your projections about me being a 'smart and sly bugger ', well,
you got the smart bit right ...... at least when compared to you, I'm a
qualified Electrical Engineer Frank, my job sends me all over the world,
what have you achieved ?

Post by Pastor Frank
We would rather live up to the standard of Christ, which means simple
and true honesty and loving care from the heart, no matter what the
reasons to be sly and cunning instead.
Pastor Frank
It's not hypocritical to set high goals and occasionally fail. It is
hypocritical though to set low goals and occasionally succeed.
--Anon--

Well then, I think I can safely call you a Hypocrite ......

You can safely call him a lying, smarmy cunt as well

[Masked Avenger]

Phÿltêr wrote:

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Well then, I think I can safely call you a Hypocrite ......

You can safely call him a lying, smarmy cunt as well

LOL ..... believe me, those, and a few other choice words did cross my
mind ....... but I didn't want to surrender the moral High Ground .... :)

[Phÿltêr]

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Well then, I think I can safely call you a Hypocrite ......

You can safely call him a lying, smarmy cunt as well

LOL ..... believe me, those, and a few other choice words did cross my
mind ....... but I didn't want to surrender the moral High Ground .... :)

LOL!! with Phrank?? He already believes he sits at the right hand of God..

[Phÿltêr]

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Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates
them for you?

My real father ........ that's all I need ( BTW, he's an atheist too )

<Clutches face in hands> Do you mean to say that your father doesn't believe
in religious bullshit nonsense as well????

There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first one?
Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only know
what they hate?

You should be able to answer that one Phrank, you "claim" to have been an
atheist.
There isn't much in this world that I hate, other than liars and criminals.
I won't count cold weather, string beans or spinach.

Post by Pastor Frank
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift
you out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

I don't think so Phrank. Theism is replete with sanctimonious liars and
charlatans, I have no wish to join them.

[Pastor Frank]

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Post by Pastor Frank
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift
you out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

I don't think so Phrank. Theism is replete with sanctimonious liars and
charlatans, I have no wish to join them.

It sure is, that's why we repent and seek forgiveness for our sins. You
think you have no need to repent nor require forgiveness, because you are
not a "sanctimonious liar and charlatan" like we are. Doesn't that make you
feel superior, happy and full of joy? Then why would you want to stick with
your buddies in the "outer darkness" of hell and "wail" complaints
eternally?

[Wortenheimer]

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Post by Phÿltêr
I don't think so Phrank. Theism is replete with sanctimonious liars and
charlatans, I have no wish to join them.

It sure is, that's why we repent and seek forgiveness for our sins. You
think you have no need to repent nor require forgiveness, because you are
not a "sanctimonious liar and charlatan" like we are. Doesn't that make
you feel superior, happy and full of joy? Then why would you want to stick
with your buddies in the "outer darkness" of hell and "wail" complaints
eternally?

i can't speak for anybody else involved in this thread, but i'm having a
blast with my chosen sins. they primarily involve helping "good" women go
"bad," and each of these women have described themselves as "christian" of
one brand or another when i met them. i feel no need to repent or seek
forgiveness. i'm having fun. the only "wailing" in my vicinity of late
involves a 37-yr-old "baptist" gal who appreciates my bed manner; and i
would only complain about the thought of having to spend an eternity in a
"heaven" populated by miserable cranks such as yourself, "pastor."

[Pastor Frank]

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I don't think so Phrank. Theism is replete with sanctimonious liars and
charlatans, I have no wish to join them.

It sure is, that's why we repent and seek forgiveness for our sins.
You think you have no need to repent nor require forgiveness, because you
are not a "sanctimonious liar and charlatan" like we are. Doesn't that
make you feel superior, happy and full of joy? Then why would you want to
stick with your buddies in the "outer darkness" of hell and "wail"
complaints eternally?

i can't speak for anybody else involved in this thread, but i'm having a
blast with my chosen sins. they primarily involve helping "good" women go
"bad," and each of these women have described themselves as "christian" of
one brand or another when i met them. i feel no need to repent or seek
forgiveness. i'm having fun. the only "wailing" in my vicinity of late
involves a 37-yr-old "baptist" gal who appreciates my bed manner; and i
would only complain about the thought of having to spend an eternity in a
"heaven" populated by miserable cranks such as yourself, "pastor."

Yes...the lusts of the flesh. The highest mountain most men will ever
climb is Mount Pubis, and it's also claiming the most victims. You are one
of them, though you might not realize that yet.
Jesus is about intense loving and caring intimacy, not promiscuous
masturbation. He came "that we might live, and that more abundantly"...not
in quantity but in quality.

[Wortenheimer]

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Yes...the lusts of the flesh. The highest mountain most men will ever
climb is Mount Pubis, and it's also claiming the most victims....

victims of? lust fulfilled? victimize me, baby!

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Jesus is about intense loving and caring intimacy,

having an intense and intimate relationship with a fantasy figure, huh?
what kind of dissapointment and frustration lead to this state, pastor?

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not promiscuous masturbation.

what's wrong with masturbation, mutual or otherwise?

Post by Pastor Frank
He came "that we might live, and that more abundantly"...not in quantity
but in quality.

i'll take both quantity and quality, although i prefer women, not He.

[Pastor Frank]

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Yes...the lusts of the flesh. The highest mountain most men will ever
climb is Mount Pubis, and it's also claiming the most victims....

victims of? lust fulfilled? victimize me, baby!

No. Victims of the consequences of climbing Mount Pubis, which can be
death by STDs, or enslavement to those you support, or poverty by means of
the courts etc. etc. You must be pretty young not to have recognised the
other side of the coin.

[Wortenheimer]

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Yes...the lusts of the flesh. The highest mountain most men will ever
climb is Mount Pubis, and it's also claiming the most victims....

victims of? lust fulfilled? victimize me, baby!

No. Victims of the consequences of climbing Mount Pubis, which can be
death by STDs, or enslavement to those you support, or poverty by means of
the courts etc. etc. You must be pretty young not to have recognised the
other side of the coin.

sheesh... it sounds as if you've been raked over the coals, pastor.
probably explains why you're a christian.

btw, i'm 41-yrs-old. not dead. not enslaved. not in poverty. i'm
currently fooling around with a 37-yr-old baptist widow. last summer i was
fooling around with a 38-yr-old catholic wife of a catholic man. a couple
years ago i was fooling around with a 33-yr-old catholic convert from
judaism. this brief list is only intended to illustrate the fun to be had
in this society and is in no way exhaustive.

[Pastor Frank]

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Yes...the lusts of the flesh. The highest mountain most men will
ever climb is Mount Pubis, and it's also claiming the most victims....

victims of? lust fulfilled? victimize me, baby!

No. Victims of the consequences of climbing Mount Pubis, which can be
death by STDs, or enslavement to those you support, or poverty by means
of the courts etc. etc. You must be pretty young not to have recognised
the other side of the coin.

sheesh... it sounds as if you've been raked over the coals, pastor.
probably explains why you're a christian.
btw, i'm 41-yrs-old. not dead. not enslaved. not in poverty. i'm
currently fooling around with a 37-yr-old baptist widow. last summer i
was fooling around with a 38-yr-old catholic wife of a catholic man. a
couple years ago i was fooling around with a 33-yr-old catholic convert
from judaism. this brief list is only intended to illustrate the fun to
be had in this society and is in no way exhaustive.

All those women likely hoped they would find a REAL man with a caring
and loving heart, who would be their faithful companion in growing old
together, and with whom they would know themselves loved and secure
regardless of their fading beauty. They apparently failed to find what they
were looking for. You are a user, aren't you, if not also a hoser?
Just a word of warning. Watch out for that little guy in the red
body-stocking, sporting little horns, a tail, and a pitch fork. You also
might want to invest in a fire-proof suit. You might need it where you are
going.

[Phÿltêr]

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Post by Pastor Frank
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him
lift you out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

I don't think so Phrank. Theism is replete with sanctimonious liars and
charlatans, I have no wish to join them.

It sure is, that's why we repent and seek forgiveness for our sins.

How absolutely noble of you, I'm impressed. However, somehow, I don't see
you as the type to be doing this from an altruistic point of view, more as
a way of seeking approval among the enclave you choose to associate with.

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You
think you have no need to repent nor require forgiveness, because you
are not a "sanctimonious liar and charlatan" like we are.

No, I dont. I obey the law, moral laws included. I have no need of a
rulebook of <ahem> morals, handed down from goat herding arabs, written
2000 years ago, and then re-written a few hundred years later by men with
an agenda, who wished for the power of the church to rule over the populace
and endure forever.

Doesn't that

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make you feel superior, happy and full of joy?

No, it doesn't. All I know is that theism in all its forms should be
obliterated from the face of this planet, it has caused more pain and
suffering than is imaginable, nor tolerable. Every war ever fought was
rooted in religion, be it The Crusades, the annihilation of the various
Mexican cultures, world wars one and two, the list goes on.
Doubtless, as an "alleged" ex-atheist, you've studied all of this, and yet
find no fault with it, preferring instead to profess to believing in an
entity that created the known universe, and has a soft spot for you, and
will bend space and time for you, to suit your whims.

Then why would you want

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to stick with your buddies in the "outer darkness" of hell and "wail"
complaints eternally?

The "Outer Darkness of hell" is a much finer place than being in the
company of obseqious cretins such as you. Your glib oiliness reeks of
sanctimony.
Frank, while ever you, and people like you, draw breath, I will wail, such
is the evil that hides itself behind a curtain of hypocrisy that is known
as "Theism".

[Pastor Frank]

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You think you have no need to repent nor require forgiveness, because
you are not a "sanctimonious liar and charlatan" like we are.

No, I dont. I obey the law, moral laws included. I have no need of a
rulebook of <ahem> morals, handed down from goat herding arabs, written
2000 years ago, and then re-written a few hundred years later by men with
an agenda, who wished for the power of the church to rule over the populace
and endure forever.

Good thing you don't list nor explain nor hint at what moral laws you
obey, all without a "rule book" i.e. published laws and moral / ethical
directives, or we would all go apoplectic with laughter.

Post by Phÿltêr

Doesn't that
make you feel superior, happy and full of joy?

No, it doesn't. All I know is that theism in all its forms should be
obliterated from the face of this planet, it has caused more pain and
suffering than is imaginable, nor tolerable. Every war ever fought was
rooted in religion, be it The Crusades, the annihilation of the various
Mexican cultures, world wars one and two, the list goes on.
Doubtless, as an "alleged" ex-atheist, you've studied all of this, and yet
find no fault with it, preferring instead to profess to believing in an
entity that created the known universe, and has a soft spot for you, and
will bend space and time for you, to suit your whims.

I don't know about any of that. I have seen though what atheistic
Communism has done to the religious community and it ain't appearing in the
"ongoing list" you provide above.

Post by Phÿltêr

Then why would you want
to stick with your buddies in the "outer darkness" of hell and "wail"
complaints eternally?

The "Outer Darkness of hell" is a much finer place than being in the
company of obseqious cretins such as you. Your glib oiliness reeks of
sanctimony.
Frank, while ever you, and people like you, draw breath, I will wail, such
is the evil that hides itself behind a curtain of hypocrisy that is known
as "Theism".

Again I don't know about any of those things you complain about. All I
know is, that I asked my God / Abba / Daddy which is in heaven to forgive my
sins through Jesus Christ, and He did. That made me happy and joyful ever
since, for now I know myself to be loved. Do you know yourself to be loved
eternally and unconditionally?

[graham]

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Again I don't know about any of those things you complain about. All I
know is, that I asked my God / Abba / Daddy which is in heaven to forgive
my sins through Jesus Christ, and He did.

A. How do you know?
B. Did you ask those whom you sinned against to forgive you?

[Phÿltêr]

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Again I don't know about any of those things you complain about. All I
know is, that I asked my God / Abba / Daddy which is in heaven to forgive
my sins through Jesus Christ, and He did.

A. How do you know?
B. Did you ask those whom you sinned against to forgive you?

Pffffft, what do you think? Frank expects gaaawd to contact them by e-mail
or text message.

[Pastor Frank]

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Post by Pastor Frank
Again I don't know about any of those things you complain about. All
I know is, that I asked my God / Abba / Daddy which is in heaven to
forgive my sins through Jesus Christ, and He did.

A. How do you know?
B. Did you ask those whom you sinned against to forgive you?

When I asked my dad for forgiveness for not doing what I was supposed
to, he did, for he loved me and I just knew when he did, without so many
words or judgmental pronouncements etc. Same with my spiritual Father which
is in Heaven. I know His love and I trust Him implicidly.

Pastor Frank

**Gal 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?"
**Jesus in Jn:15:18: If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before
it hated you.
**Jesus in Lk:6:26: Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for
so did their fathers to the false prophets
**Jesus in Jn:15:25: But this cometh to pass, that the word might be
fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
**Jesus in Matt 5:11, 12: Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and
persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my
sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: For great is your reward in heaven:
for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
**Jesus in Jn:16:2-3 They shall put you out of their houses of worship: Yea,
the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God
service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known
the Father, nor me.
**Jesus in Lk:23:34: Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know
not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

[Tom]

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Do you have high ideals you seek to live up to? Who demonstrates
them for you?

My real father ........ that's all I need ( BTW, he's an atheist too )

<Clutches face in hands> Do you mean to say that your father doesn't believe
in religious bullshit nonsense as well????

There are two questions above. How come you won't answer the first one?
Is it because most atheists don't have any "high ideals", and only know
what they hate?
You have been posting anti-"religious bullshit nonsense" for an awful
lot of years. Why not grab the proffered hand of Jesus and let Him lift
you out of the pit of "darkness" into the light of love and care?

To which one can only say, bullshit!!!

[Steve Mading]

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But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't behave the way you do.

[Pastor Frank]

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But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't behave the way you do.

LOL, I'm not living up to your exalted expectations, am I? But then tell
us who is? Are you living up to your exalted expectations of yourself?

Pastor Frank

The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."

[Steve Mading]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Steve Mading

Post by Pastor Frank
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't behave the way you do.

LOL, I'm not living up to your exalted expectations, am I? But then tell
us who is? Are you living up to your exalted expectations of yourself?

Your failure to address the point has been noted.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Steve Mading

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Steve Mading

Post by Pastor Frank
But you need to make up your own mind, and may the Lord aid you in your
choice.

If you actually believed that, you wouldn't behave the way you do.

LOL, I'm not living up to your exalted expectations, am I? But then tell
us who is? Are you living up to your exalted expectations of yourself?

Your failure to address the point has been noted.

Your refusal to answer questions "has been noted".

[Severian]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:28:08 +0800, "Pastor Frank"

Post by Pastor Frank

In my book and in my agenda, spanking IS equivalent to beating. It is
striking a child in anger all in the name of "I love you," and "this is
for your own good," and "you will thank me later." No thanks. Not in
my family. Spanking does leave a mark on a child........not one you
can see though. I am no busybody......far be it from me to tell
another parent they cannot spank their child.......I don't spank mine,
never have had to resort to hitting my son to make him shape up. And I
never will. He knows his limits and his boundaries and they were set
very early in life and ALWAYS reinforced. It suits your agenda to
believe abortion is murder. Fine........believe as you see fit and
what you can live with when you look in the mirror. Whipping a horse
in my opinion is akin to whipping a child......and if the Bible says to
whip a horse, well........the Bible is flat out wrong.
God/Jesus/authors of the Bible didn't have a clue about how to make a
1200 lb animal stay within it's boundaries....and since they couldn't
train a horse properly, well, it's safe to say they don't know a hell
of a lot about raising kids.
And besides, what kind of sadistic pleasure does an adult get while
beating that child? Surely there has to be some pleasure in the actual
act or the adult wouldn't do it.

Like I said your definition of spanking is beating or "whipping" a
child
black and blue, our Christian definition of spanking is a slap on the bum
and a hug. Most anti-spankers are into head-games and psychological abuse
of
children.

And there is a an excellent example of the evil of violence. You
cannot justify the violence so you have to resort to hatred and lies
about people who dare to criticize your use of violence.
The number of people hurt, beaten, and even killed in the name of
Christian "love" is legion.

Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs.

A martyr requires a belief system, dumbass.

Post by Pastor Frank
Many of us alive today had to suffer atheist
persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents, teachers and
employers for mentioning anything religious in their presence.

Then maybe you should shut the fuck up.

Post by Pastor Frank
Those in Communist countries often were killed.

Only if they couldn't keep their mouths shut and their beliefs to
themselves.

Post by Pastor Frank
You posting atheist hate to our pristine Christian NGs makes you a
troll. Please post atheism and hate to atheist and flame groups. thanks. I
will post you over to some more suitable groups.

Public Usenet newsgroups have never been pristine. Create a moderated
group which you can control.

While growing up, every spanker I met claimed to be a "Christian,"
attempting to instill their "Christian" values upon us by "Christian"
beating, belting and paddling.

Many of their "Christian" paddles even looked like your signature
sword, with air holes for improved velocity to the posterior.

In my 44 years of experience, atheists and non-religious people are
much more likely to spare that there rod.

Your blatant lies about Christians and non-Christians are abhorrent.

--
Sev

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Severian
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:28:08 +0800, "Pastor Frank"

Post by Pastor Frank

In my book and in my agenda, spanking IS equivalent to beating. It is
striking a child in anger all in the name of "I love you," and "this is
for your own good," and "you will thank me later." No thanks. Not in
my family. Spanking does leave a mark on a child........not one you
can see though. I am no busybody......far be it from me to tell
another parent they cannot spank their child.......I don't spank mine,
never have had to resort to hitting my son to make him shape up. And I
never will. He knows his limits and his boundaries and they were set
very early in life and ALWAYS reinforced. It suits your agenda to
believe abortion is murder. Fine........believe as you see fit and
what you can live with when you look in the mirror. Whipping a horse
in my opinion is akin to whipping a child......and if the Bible says to
whip a horse, well........the Bible is flat out wrong.
God/Jesus/authors of the Bible didn't have a clue about how to make a
1200 lb animal stay within it's boundaries....and since they couldn't
train a horse properly, well, it's safe to say they don't know a hell
of a lot about raising kids.
And besides, what kind of sadistic pleasure does an adult get while
beating that child? Surely there has to be some pleasure in the actual
act or the adult wouldn't do it.

Like I said your definition of spanking is beating or "whipping" a
child
black and blue, our Christian definition of spanking is a slap on the bum
and a hug. Most anti-spankers are into head-games and psychological abuse
of
children.

And there is a an excellent example of the evil of violence. You
cannot justify the violence so you have to resort to hatred and lies
about people who dare to criticize your use of violence.
The number of people hurt, beaten, and even killed in the name of
Christian "love" is legion.

Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".
There are no atheist martyrs.

A martyr requires a belief system, dumbass.

Post by Pastor Frank
Many of us alive today had to suffer atheist
persecution, getting severely punished by our atheist parents, teachers and
employers for mentioning anything religious in their presence.

Then maybe you should shut the fuck up.

Post by Pastor Frank
Those in Communist countries often were killed.

Only if they couldn't keep their mouths shut and their beliefs to
themselves.

Post by Pastor Frank
You posting atheist hate to our pristine Christian NGs makes you a
troll. Please post atheism and hate to atheist and flame groups. thanks. I
will post you over to some more suitable groups.

Public Usenet newsgroups have never been pristine. Create a moderated
group which you can control.
While growing up, every spanker I met claimed to be a "Christian,"
attempting to instill their "Christian" values upon us by "Christian"
beating, belting and paddling.
Many of their "Christian" paddles even looked like your signature
sword, with air holes for improved velocity to the posterior.
In my 44 years of experience, atheists and non-religious people are
much more likely to spare that there rod.
Your blatant lies about Christians and non-Christians are abhorrent.

Yes. Many "spare the rod" and substitute psychological abuse, fierce
head-games which leaves kids emotionally crippled, but can't be successfully
prosecuted. You only learn about it when the kids commit suicide and are
mature enough to leave a suicide note with an explanation.
But then anti-spankers don't care about those. Do you? As long as the
kids don't get swatted, everything is just peachy, right? Apparently
"blatant lies" are only spoken by others, and never by yourself. Do you
consider yourself a superior specimen of humanity by any chance?

[Phÿltêr]

Post by Pastor Frank
Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".

Satan is a "christian" construct, you fucking retard. You REALLY must get
around to reading "Malleus Maleficarum" if you want to see "Satan's Minions"
personified, the catch is, they're catholics.

http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org

For good to exist, there must be evil. They are the extreme ends of the same
scale. But nooooooo, YOU have to build, and spew forth, multiple layers of
theistic bullshit to explain a simple piece of logic.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Phÿltêr

Post by Pastor Frank
Our Christian martyrs killed by Satan's atheist minions are "legion".

Satan is a "christian" construct, you fucking retard. You REALLY must get
around to reading "Malleus Maleficarum" if you want to see "Satan's Minions"
personified, the catch is, they're catholics.
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org
For good to exist, there must be evil. They are the extreme ends of the same
scale. But nooooooo, YOU have to build, and spew forth, multiple layers of
theistic bullshit to explain a simple piece of logic.

The word Satan means "accuser" liar nagger etc. etc. and Satan's minions
must accuse without providing evidence, for evidence might convince others
of truth. That cannot be allowed to happen. So the first lie Satan's minions
seek to propagate, is that neither they, nor Satan nor God exist.
So, unless you ARE in fact one of Satan's minions, you do a pretty good
imitation of them. How about imitating someone godly instead?

[Wortenheimer]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank
No. Victims of the consequences of climbing Mount Pubis, which can be
death by STDs, or enslavement to those you support, or poverty by means
of the courts etc. etc. You must be pretty young not to have recognised
the other side of the coin.

Just a word of warning. Watch out for that little guy in the red
body-stocking, sporting little horns, a tail, and a pitch fork. You also
might want to invest in a fire-proof suit. You might need it where you are
going.

you have all the bases covered, pastor. if your god doesn't punish me in
this world for having some fun he'll sure as hell fork me in the afterlife.

i'll wager that you fantasize about all the horrible sex that others are
having while you masturbate yourself. that's okay. everybody has their
fetish or collection of.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Wortenheimer

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank
No. Victims of the consequences of climbing Mount Pubis, which can be
death by STDs, or enslavement to those you support, or poverty by means
of the courts etc. etc. You must be pretty young not to have recognised
the other side of the coin.

Just a word of warning. Watch out for that little guy in the red
body-stocking, sporting little horns, a tail, and a pitch fork. You also
might want to invest in a fire-proof suit. You might need it where you are
going.

you have all the bases covered, pastor. if your god doesn't punish me in
this world for having some fun he'll sure as hell fork me in the afterlife.
i'll wager that you fantasize about all the horrible sex that others are
having while you masturbate yourself. that's okay. everybody has their
fetish or collection of.

I am a Christian believing in one wife for life. And it has been my
experience, that one wife will do just fine in most cases. After satisfying
such a woman, her husband will have little energy left, nor wish for other
women, let alone "masturbating himself".
You seem to have a hard time finding and getting married to a woman who
knows how to take care of your urges for life. Should we feel sorry for you?

[Wortenheimer]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank
No. Victims of the consequences of climbing Mount Pubis, which can be
death by STDs, or enslavement to those you support, or poverty by means
of the courts etc. etc. You must be pretty young not to have recognised
the other side of the coin.

Just a word of warning. Watch out for that little guy in the red
body-stocking, sporting little horns, a tail, and a pitch fork. You also
might want to invest in a fire-proof suit. You might need it where you
are going.

I am a Christian believing in one wife for life. And it has been my
experience, that one wife will do just fine in most cases. After
satisfying such a woman, her husband will have little energy left, nor
wish for other women, let alone "masturbating himself".
You seem to have a hard time finding and getting married to a woman who
knows how to take care of your urges for life. Should we feel sorry for you?

i haven't been able to find that special woman who will give me STDs,
enslave me and plunge me into poverty. your misogyny is poorly disguised,
pastor. mine isn't. at least that makes me honest.