Discussion:
OT: An interesting snippet about proof of God's Existence.
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Pastor Frank
2005-01-29 14:02:30 UTC
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Date written: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:42:26 +0800
"If you have an open mind, there is already ample evidence to prove
it
to you.
Our minds are always open, to empirical evidence.
Evidence, is something that we have often been told exists, but we
have never
seen.
The god of your definition does indeed not exist, we can all
agree on
that. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested in Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, and we know love
exists.
We Christians not only experienced the love that is our God, but we
have
seen Him We are sorry to hear, that you like most atheists, never have
seen
nor experienced love.
"God is love" is nonsense as a definition for God since it is simply an
anthromorphologicalization of a concept. If you had bothered to read the
Bible
on this matter, you would see that what the Bible means by "God is love"
is that
everything God does is out of love, which makes "God is love" an
analogy, not an
anthromorphologicalization.
No. "God is love" means God is the eternal quality, the "spirit" of
love
(John 4:24), which becomes manifested in humans, particularly in Jesus
Christ on the cross of Calvary.
Since love is not eternal nor a spirit, again that is just pure nonsense.
The "nonsense" is all yours, for love is a quality and not something
objective and material which comes into being and then disappears again,
like a chair. Love is uncreated and therefore an eternal quality, which
exists regardless of whether anyone demonstrates love or not.
Spirit is an attitude, in this case a loving, caring attitude, not a
disembodied ghost of atheist definition.
I get the impression you are here in our pristine Christian NG solely to
trash and flame and should be posting to more appropriate News Groups. I
will help you find some
Pastor Frank
2005-01-29 20:23:09 UTC
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Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love among
many
other such ideals of qualities.
My point exactly. God is not love and, like yourself, God does not
demonstrate
loving qualities.
You now are merely spouting contrarian atheism and hate again Libertine,
making no sense whatsoever. Please post atheism to atheist NGs. I will
assist you in finding suitable groups and post you over to them.
unknown
2005-01-30 01:28:04 UTC
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Post by Pastor Frank
Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love among
many
other such ideals of qualities.
My point exactly. God is not love and, like yourself, God does not
demonstrate
loving qualities.
You now are merely spouting contrarian atheism and hate again Libertine,
making no sense whatsoever. Please post atheism to atheist NGs. I will
assist you in finding suitable groups and post you over to them.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and post this Christian-oriented
material to the Christian and/or religious newsgroups. While I may be wrong,
I sincerely doubt anyone in alt.satanism has any interest in your thoughts
regarding the efficacy of your brand of faith.

Many thanks.

Regards,

Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz
Pastor Frank
2005-01-30 12:15:49 UTC
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Post by Pastor Frank
Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love among
many
other such ideals of qualities.
My point exactly. God is not love and, like yourself, God does not
demonstrate
loving qualities.
You now are merely spouting contrarian atheism and hate again Libertine,
making no sense whatsoever. Please post atheism to atheist NGs. I will
assist you in finding suitable groups and post you over to them.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and post this Christian-oriented
material to the Christian and/or religious newsgroups. While I may be wrong,
I sincerely doubt anyone in alt.satanism has any interest in your thoughts
regarding the efficacy of your brand of faith.
Many thanks.
Regards,
Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz
Not so. See below the connection to Satanism.

Pastor Frank

SATAN'S MINIONS -people who say they are Christians but do and/or
justify those doing the opposite from what Christ taught.
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
2Tm:3:3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Mt:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad
is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in
thereat:
unknown
2005-01-30 16:56:56 UTC
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Dear Pastor Frank:

Sorry, but I try to make a habit these days of ignoring trolls, you are a
good example of this. Why is it that you asswipes can't just take the hint
and not post to groups that find your belief system offensive? -PLONK-

Regards,

Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz
--
I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming
feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and
imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make half the
world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the
world. Thomas Jefferson
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Post by unknown
Post by Pastor Frank
Again, no. "God is Love" is not an equation, for God is love
among
Post by unknown
Post by Pastor Frank
many
other such ideals of qualities.
My point exactly. God is not love and, like yourself, God does not
demonstrate
loving qualities.
You now are merely spouting contrarian atheism and hate again Libertine,
making no sense whatsoever. Please post atheism to atheist NGs. I will
assist you in finding suitable groups and post you over to them.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and post this Christian-oriented
material to the Christian and/or religious newsgroups. While I may be
wrong,
Post by unknown
I sincerely doubt anyone in alt.satanism has any interest in your thoughts
regarding the efficacy of your brand of faith.
Many thanks.
Regards,
Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz
Not so. See below the connection to Satanism.
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS -people who say they are Christians but do and/or
justify those doing the opposite from what Christ taught.
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
2Tm:3:3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Mt:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad
is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in
Pastor Frank
2005-01-31 10:37:25 UTC
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Post by unknown
Sorry, but I try to make a habit these days of ignoring trolls, you are a
good example of this. Why is it that you asswipes can't just take the hint
and not post to groups that find your belief system offensive? -PLONK-
Regards,
Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz
Are you some kind of demented ninny? I didn't post Christian material to
satanic NGs, but rather re-posted one of your Satan-worshipper's troll back
to his home NG.
Now say thanks already and apologize, willya?
Pastor Frank
2005-02-03 13:38:52 UTC
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ATHEIST LITERALISM
Atheists usually display major problems with interpretation of
symbols
and metaphor, and not just religious ones. Most seem to have failed their
literary comprehension courses.
Liar. What we atheists do that pisses off you fundamentalist nutcases
is that we recognize that symbols and metaphor ONLY apply to emotional
expression, and not serious factual statements.
Nobody claims that humane qualities are "factual", but that is what
Christ is all about. People do what they feel like, not what logic and
reason, nor your "facts" would suggest. That is why Christ talks to people's
emotions so they will feel like doing good instead of evil.
Let's face it, if a bunch of bullies feel like beating you up, no amount
of "serious factual statements" is going to stop them. But Christ can get
through to the worst of them, where nobody else can.
Steve Mading
2005-02-03 22:25:23 UTC
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The next time you reply, try responding to what was said in some
way. It's not hard.
Pastor Frank
2005-02-03 13:46:11 UTC
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Date written: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:44:20 +0800
The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the
Christians. Are you
ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
You haven't heard that from Jews. They reject Christ precisely
because
His God is NOT the God of the Jews.
Then why can't you show us precisely where the Jewish community states
that?
Jesus in Jn:10:33-36: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good
work we
stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law,
I
said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God
came,
and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath
sanctified, and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said,
I am
the Son of God?
That is not a statement from the Jewish community, it is hearsay and the
Jewish
community of TODAY has never agreed with that statement.
Yes, of course, as usual you waste your life listing what things are
not, without giving us a hint what things are. Tell us already what the
Jewish community agree to TODAY, instead. You are such a lazy and boring
thinker, Sage!!!!
At least you admit I think because it is so obvious I can think. Don't you
wish
you could think? I wish you could. For example, if the Jewish community
rejects
(present tense) the God of Jesus because He is not the God of the Jews,
then
show us where the Jewish community rejects Jesus on that basis *today*,
don't go
off on some wild tangent about how 2000 years ago someone heard someone
say
something in Jn:10 that had nothing to do with the Jews rejecting Jesus
because
he worshipped a different God.
You still haven't answered the question, why "the Jewish community"
thinks Jesus Christ is an impostor and a fraud. Till you answer the question
I assume you try to proselytize atheism in our pristine Christian NGs and I
will post you back to your atheist and flame NGs whose denizen love to read
your trash and flames.
Pastor Frank
2005-02-04 19:14:03 UTC
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Date written: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:35:41 +0800
It also doesn't change the fact that you didn't answer the question
why
the "Jewish community" thinks our most holy God incarnate Jesus the
Christ
is a fraud and an impostor, if not for the above cited verse Jn:10:33-36,
or
the below.
Jn:10 says no such thing and is not a statement from the Jewish community.
Try
another lie.
The Sage
I don't "try lies", that's your specialty and it's also flaming in our
pristine Christian NGs which is against the charter. Please post atheist
flames to atheist and flame NGs. I will help you find some.

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