The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay, deluded, and live a lie.

[Pastor Frank]

For what purpose did God create homosexuals?

God DID NOT 'create' queers.
Being 'queer' is a perverted sexual desire,

Homosexuality is BIOLOGICAL. Ppl are no more responsible for 'being'

gay

than they are for being male or female.

I beg to disagree. Homosexuality is psychological. It's a
developmental malfunction caused by isolation

I find it hard to understand a mindset that concludes that

homosexuality

is not innate, and accepts that ppl simply choose to be gay, or as
you
say, are made so by circumstances. Gays will tell you they realized

they

were 'different' at a young age, and of course with the onset of

puberty

'unnatural' sexual desire becomes apparent. I did not choose to
desire
women rather than men. Did you? And I could not choose to change my
sexual preference even if I wanted to. Could you? And I'm damn sure I
didn't 'acquire' my sexual preference via societal issues.
There was an interesting documentary recently where it was shown that
gayness is dependent upon the amount of male hormones available (for

want

of a better word, as I can't recall the detail) to a foetus during

it's

development. So an excess with regards a female foetus produces a
lesbian, and a deficiency with a male, a gay guy.

and is practically unknown in societies where the whole family
sleeps

in

one room.

You would need to show a causal relationship in that case. There may

be

other factors involved, and if those were genetic, then that would
support my argument rather than yours.

I agree with all of pedro's points here...

I disagree. No genetic connection to homosexuality has been found,

and

not for lack of looking either. So it has to have an environmental
cause.
The clue is, that all higher Simians are unable to reproduce, unless
they had reproductive role models in childhood. Children sex type

themselves

at an early age and without role model may on occasion get confused
about
their gender. Hence, families that sleep together don't have homosexual
progeny as a rule.
I think, segregating small children into separate bedrooms from
their
parents is unnatural and may be unbiblical as well. See below ref.
Pastor Frank
Lk:11:7: And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the

door

is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give
thee.

So Michael Jackson was doing the right thing?

lol. Good response. Also, when Michael was still a young boy, they ALL
bunked together on the road with his bigger brothers and fathers having
sex
with groupies!

You sure are a bunch of disgusting Satanists, for even suggesting, that
the vast majority of the world's families who need to live and sleep in one
undivided space are sexual perverts. Not only that, but you appear proud of
your perverted brainlessness. You are in the wrong NGs fellows, I will post
you over to some groups who share your views.

[Eru Ilúvatar]

Post by Pastor Frank
You sure are a bunch of disgusting Satanists,

Actually you are the one that appears to be the Satanist. I
suspect you are a homosexual as well.

[Pastor Frank]

Well, we now have Craig (Griz) and his prophet, Pete (Pedro). Of course,
I
jest but I just couldn't pass it up.
When Craig is confronted regarding his stance of asserting himself as
other's spiritual superior and turning every conversation quickly into
pontificating sermon, he retaliates by using the bible to accuse others of
thinking they're God or serving their "own agenda" or having the false god
of the flesh, having pride, etc.
Also, talk about gag me when he and others use antiquated language to
service as giving some "holy" taint or something to the words being
spoken.
The only thing that would be funnier would be if he used "thee" and "thou"
and "guest."

Why are you here Jude? These are Christian Groups who base everything
they say on the Bible. We are here to praise our glorious God through Jesus
Christ our Lord and Saviour as well as explain Him and convert the unsaved
to His religion. That means we are not here to discuss the follies,
shortcomings and failures of man.
So please post your calumnies to flame groups, which are created for
that purpose. I will post you over to some for your perusal.

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Pastor Frank

Well, we now have Craig (Griz) and his prophet, Pete (Pedro). Of
course, I
jest but I just couldn't pass it up.
When Craig is confronted regarding his stance of asserting himself as
other's spiritual superior and turning every conversation quickly into
pontificating sermon, he retaliates by using the bible to accuse others
of thinking they're God or serving their "own agenda" or having the
false god of the flesh, having pride, etc.
Also, talk about gag me when he and others use antiquated language to
service as giving some "holy" taint or something to the words being
spoken.
The only thing that would be funnier would be if he used "thee" and
"thou" and "guest."

Why are you here Jude? These are Christian Groups who base everything
they say on the Bible. We are here to praise our glorious God through
Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour as well as explain Him and convert the
unsaved to His religion. That means we are not here to discuss the
follies, shortcomings and failures of man.

But anybody who disagrees with Plastic Flake gets attacked.

Post by Pastor Frank
So please post your calumnies to flame groups, which are created for
that purpose. I will post you over to some for your perusal.

Translation: Frank is indulging in massive, off-topic cross posting yet
again...

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Pastor Frank
Why are you here Jude?

Where is Flevoland?

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank
Why are you here Jude?

Where is Flevoland?
--
Pastor Frank Bernhard Schornak
Broomleigh Evangelische Kirche GmbH (Zurich)
Hardenbergstr. 14, D-Augsburg 86165, Germany
+ 49 - 0821 - 729 87 83
http://www.pastorfrank.broomleigh.com/

Stop posting in mine and/or Schornak's names, Dick Foot. It's not
funny!!!

[Pastor Frank]

<snip>

The problem I see is that Griz has been 'sold' an idea that our base
nature is wrong. Therefore the solution is to spoon feed the baby a
better product..
lawrence

<snip ad hom>

Religion deals with ideals,

Have you ever tested whether the ideals Griz pimps are good, honest and
reliable ? Have you ever tested whether Griz's actions line up with the
teachings of Scripture ?

"Good, honest and reliable by whose standards? Yours? Our standards are
vested in our God and none of us "line up with the teachings of Scripture".
If we could do that, we would have no need of any God nor His incarnation,
Jesus Christ.
Like I said above, and you apparently missed it, our Religion deals with
ideals....not yet realized, but having people actively trying to live up to.

and everyone who pursues behavioural ideals as defined and demonstrated
by
Jesus Christ seek to "rewriting their identity" into the likeness of
Christ.

The problem is that Griz is preaching that our "base nature" (in the
way he describes it) needs to change, and the way he is talking about
it is that our identity needs to change. Identity can be changed by
small degrees, but what Griz is suggesting is a carpet bombing
destruction of one identity to build another in his image. Such actions
remains dangerous, not only from a mental health perspective, but from
a sociological and spiritual perspective. As Griz demands that identity
be changed, the unwritten assumption is that the new identity of that
person is build according to his desires or his teaching.

We don't change us and Griz surely doesn't suggest we do. It is Christ
within us who changes us to His personality. Think of the parable of the
bride who is so captivated and fascinated by her groom, that she becomes
selfless, living her life through His eyes.
An atheist on the other hand, is like a bride sitting in front of her
mirror, looking at herself in perpetual criticism, bent on self-improvement,
always polishing the flesh and never satisfied. She thinks only of and about
herself, having no time to think about anyone else, including her groom.

Only atheists believe themselves sufficiently perfect, needing no
"rewriting of self".

Perfection doesn't need to come into play, Pastor.
A healthy sense of self and identity includes the acknowledgement that
one remains imperfect and does not have the sum total of human
knowledge (and the solutions to the various ills that seem to bother
society) personally downloaded by God Himself into your cranium. This
is irrespective of religious or irreligous persuasion.

The word "healthy" to us means holy, being from God. What do you mean by
"healthy"? Why should I contemplate my imperfect "self"? I would rather
contemplate the perfection of God. It's like an Olympic athlete
contemplating his failures and resigning himself to "remaining imperfect"
instead of looking for and imaging perfection. You are a quitter Buddie!!!!

Unless of course, you believe that you have the sum total of all human
knowledge, along with all the solutions to the world's problems,
present in your cranium ? Unless, of course, you believe God has made
*you* and *Griz* perfect..

That's just it, we don't but want it. We are not quitters and resign
ourselves to being impotent in solving "the world's problems" like you
appear to.

Aren't we all glad you are not acting according to your
"base nature" of a Simian, smart enough to destroy the world, but
momentarily too unmotivated to do it?

Boy.. I get better flames from teenagers on design forums than this.
You really, really, really need to develop your insults into something
of skill and reparte, 'cos at the moment, an immature kid does better..

Non sequitur!!! Keep in mind these are Christian NGs, not flame groups.
But if you are looking for better insults, you should be looking for some
flame groups. I can help and post you over to some for you approval.