The One God!

[Pastor Frank]

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!

At least it is better 'crap' than the standard crap of the bible and
christianity, etc.
Look at the crap at what christianity (and the bible) preaches to us.
That is crap - rubbish, etc.
Harvey

That the Bible is "crap" is an atheist mantra and should be posted to
atheist groups. I will post you over to some.

[Arthur Mullard]

Post by Pastor Frank

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!

At least it is better 'crap' than the standard crap of the bible and
christianity, etc.
Look at the crap at what christianity (and the bible) preaches to us.
That is crap - rubbish, etc.
Harvey

That the Bible is "crap" is an atheist mantra and should be posted to
atheist groups. I will post you over to some.

If I had a manual for a car that I had been told reliably and repeatedly
was unreliable and full of inconsistencies and told me the car did
things it doesn't actually do, like brake when pedal pressed, I would
expect the car owners to be concerned. I would expect them, if actually
sane, to be interested in any information about its veracity. Any other
stance points to the fact that faith is truly blind and beyond reason or
consideration. Adherence to a code that speaks of a merciful god in this
world is the most patent violation of the reasoning mind I can, at this
moment, think of.

I think "the bible is crap" is a valid viewpoint. To just ignore such
viewpoints without consideration is in istelf, just as crap.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Arthur Mullard

Post by Pastor Frank

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!

At least it is better 'crap' than the standard crap of the bible and
christianity, etc.
Look at the crap at what christianity (and the bible) preaches to us.
That is crap - rubbish, etc.
Harvey

That the Bible is "crap" is an atheist mantra and should be posted to
atheist groups. I will post you over to some.

If I had a manual for a car that I had been told reliably and repeatedly
was unreliable and full of inconsistencies and told me the car did things
it doesn't actually do, like brake when pedal pressed, I would expect the
car owners to be concerned. I would expect them, if actually sane, to be
interested in any information about its veracity. Any other stance points
to the fact that faith is truly blind and beyond reason or consideration.
Adherence to a code that speaks of a merciful god in this world is the
most patent violation of the reasoning mind I can, at this moment, think
of.
I think "the bible is crap" is a valid viewpoint. To just ignore such
viewpoints without consideration is in istelf, just as crap.

There is little doubt, that from your viewpoint using your own
copyrighted definition, just about all religion is "crap". It needs an
atheist making a conscious effort to define the word God so ludicrously,
that no sane person would, nor could consider such a god seriously, let
alone believe in him. So what is your point?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ our saviour and God incarnate. Therefore to Christians the word
God is as logical as the word love is, and our God is proved by loving and
caring action.
The Christian NT of the Bible makes only sense when one sticks to
documented and therefore valid definitions. See below how Christ explains
the concept to a skeptical Philip. None can do better than that.

Pastor Frank

"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

[Arthur Mullard]

You're still quoting from the same manual Frank.

START THINKING

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Arthur Mullard

Post by Pastor Frank

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!

At least it is better 'crap' than the standard crap of the bible and
christianity, etc.
Look at the crap at what christianity (and the bible) preaches to us.
That is crap - rubbish, etc.
Harvey

That the Bible is "crap" is an atheist mantra and should be posted to
atheist groups. I will post you over to some.

If I had a manual for a car that I had been told reliably and repeatedly
was unreliable and full of inconsistencies and told me the car did things
it doesn't actually do, like brake when pedal pressed, I would expect the
car owners to be concerned. I would expect them, if actually sane, to be
interested in any information about its veracity. Any other stance points
to the fact that faith is truly blind and beyond reason or consideration.
Adherence to a code that speaks of a merciful god in this world is the
most patent violation of the reasoning mind I can, at this moment, think
of.
I think "the bible is crap" is a valid viewpoint. To just ignore such
viewpoints without consideration is in istelf, just as crap.

There is little doubt, that from your viewpoint using your own
copyrighted definition, just about all religion is "crap". It needs an
atheist making a conscious effort to define the word God so ludicrously,
that no sane person would, nor could consider such a god seriously, let
alone believe in him. So what is your point?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ our saviour and God incarnate. Therefore to Christians the word
God is as logical as the word love is, and our God is proved by loving and
caring action.
The Christian NT of the Bible makes only sense when one sticks to
documented and therefore valid definitions. See below how Christ explains
the concept to a skeptical Philip. None can do better than that.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

[Arthur Mullard]

Post by Pastor Frank
There is little doubt, that from your viewpoint using your own
copyrighted definition, just about all religion is "crap".

Your idea not mine. Take a course in reading what's actually written.
START READING AND THINKING. You are reading your own ideas into mine.

It needs an

Post by Pastor Frank
atheist making a conscious effort to define the word God so ludicrously,

Now you are assuming I'm an atheist - just because I think the so called
bible is crap. Another assumption. START THINKING. I'm not atheistic.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" - Penn, Under Siege II.

Post by Pastor Frank
that no sane person would, nor could consider such a god seriously, let
alone believe in him. So what is your point?

The god as ambiguously described in 66 separate chapters by mostly
differing authors. Yes absolutely. There ARE other views about this. The
Hebrews do not have a monopoly on deity or creation or evolution. THINK.

Post by Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ our saviour and God incarnate. Therefore to Christians the word
God is as logical as the word love is, and our God is proved by loving and
caring action.
The Christian NT of the Bible makes only sense when one sticks to
documented and therefore valid definitions. See below how Christ explains
the concept to a skeptical Philip. None can do better than that.

Just because something appears to make sense, doesn't validate it. It is
its testability which validates it. THINK.

The rest of your splurge is the usual horse shit Frank. It's just
interpretive diatribe from a collection of works whose validity if
strenuously and persitently claimed only by its adherents.

You don't think at all. You are apparently incapable of comprehending
what is written and deducing conclusion from fairly obvious content.

If it were not for certain caveats in DSM IV, I would think, as a
psychiatrist, that you are delusional at the very least, and incapable
of reality testing in at least one important area of life function. You
have bought into a mind set of beliefs which can not be objectively
tested. How convenient for you. And I suspect quite necessary.

Beliefs need to be tested to be validated. Otherwise you will end up
possibly believing the Koran just as easily, or the Beano.

I'm afraid any further intercourse would be pointless. Please don't
bother to respond - I shalln't.

Post by Pastor Frank
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Arthur Mullard

Post by Pastor Frank
There is little doubt, that from your viewpoint using your own
copyrighted definition, just about all religion is "crap".

Your idea not mine. Take a course in reading what's actually written.
START READING AND THINKING. You are reading your own ideas into mine.

What idea should I read into your "crap"? LOL

Post by Arthur Mullard

Post by Pastor Frank
It needs an
atheist making a conscious effort to define the word God so ludicrously,

Now you are assuming I'm an atheist - just because I think the so called
bible is crap. Another assumption. START THINKING. I'm not atheistic.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" - Penn, Under Siege II.

Theists think the Bible is Gods inerrant Word"? Atheist think the Bible
is crap, and you tell us you are not an atheist? LOL How about you are a
liar?

Post by Arthur Mullard

Post by Pastor Frank
that no sane person would, nor could consider such a god seriously, let
alone believe in him. So what is your point?

The god as ambiguously described in 66 separate chapters by mostly
differing authors. Yes absolutely. There ARE other views about this. The
Hebrews do not have a monopoly on deity or creation or evolution. THINK.

Post by Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in Jesus Christ our saviour and God incarnate. Therefore to Christians
the word God is as logical as the word love is, and our God is proved by
loving and caring action.
The Christian NT of the Bible makes only sense when one sticks to
documented and therefore valid definitions. See below how Christ explains
the concept to a skeptical Philip. None can do better than that.

Just because something appears to make sense, doesn't validate it. It is
its testability which validates it. THINK.

How do you "test" love? Do tell us!!! I bet you were a teenager who
tested His mother's love by demanding her car-keys as proof of her love. Sly
and crafty I would call it.

Post by Arthur Mullard
The rest of your splurge is the usual horse shit Frank. It's just
interpretive diatribe from a collection of works whose validity if
strenuously and persitently claimed only by its adherents.

That goes for all philosophies of life, including yours.

Post by Arthur Mullard
You don't think at all. You are apparently incapable of comprehending what
is written and deducing conclusion from fairly obvious content.

Why don't you tell us then? Show your "thinking" isn't "horse shit". So
far you haven't said anything that would prove you can think. It's all just
and orgy of intolerantly trashing other people's ideas / ideals.

Post by Arthur Mullard
If it were not for certain caveats in DSM IV, I would think, as a
psychiatrist, that you are delusional at the very least, and incapable of
reality testing in at least one important area of life function. You have
bought into a mind set of beliefs which can not be objectively tested. How
convenient for you. And I suspect quite necessary.

Christ isn't about "reality" but about ideals of reality we should be
living up to. Few ideals are testable, they find their being in belief and
faith. So you believe and have faith in anything or anyone?

Post by Arthur Mullard
Beliefs need to be tested to be validated. Otherwise you will end up
possibly believing the Koran just as easily, or the Beano.

Nothing wrong with that. We are always intent on proving the existence
of our God who is love. Who or what is YOUR god?

Post by Arthur Mullard
I'm afraid any further intercourse would be pointless. Please don't bother
to respond - I shalln't.

Why not? Can't "think" of anything? But then considering the groups you
post to, I shouldn't expect more, should I?

[Virgil]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Arthur Mullard
Now you are assuming I'm an atheist - just because I think the so called
bible is crap. Another assumption. START THINKING. I'm not atheistic.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" - Penn, Under Siege II.

Theists think the Bible is Gods inerrant Word"? Atheist think the Bible
is crap, and you tell us you are not an atheist? LOL How about you are a
liar?

There are lots of religions which hold the Bible to be useless. Even
Judaism and Mohammedism hold the New Testament in low esteem. To claim
someone is atheist on grounds of disrespecting your Bible is arrogance.

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Virgil

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Arthur Mullard
Now you are assuming I'm an atheist - just because I think the so called
bible is crap. Another assumption. START THINKING. I'm not atheistic.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" - Penn, Under Siege II.

Theists think the Bible is Gods inerrant Word"? Atheist think the Bible
is crap, and you tell us you are not an atheist? LOL How about you are a
liar?

There are lots of religions which hold the Bible to be useless. Even
Judaism and Mohammedism hold the New Testament in low esteem. To claim
someone is atheist on grounds of disrespecting your Bible is arrogance.

I don't see any other religion other than the Christian one in the
header. If you want to discuss other religions, which consider our Bible
"crap", then please post to the appropriate News Groups. That is unless it's
your intention to talk disparagingly about others people's beliefs behind
their backs?
Are you a gossiper?

[Arthur Mullard]

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Virgil

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Arthur Mullard
Now you are assuming I'm an atheist - just because I think the so called
bible is crap. Another assumption. START THINKING. I'm not atheistic.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" - Penn, Under Siege II.

Theists think the Bible is Gods inerrant Word"? Atheist think the Bible
is crap, and you tell us you are not an atheist? LOL How about you are a
liar?

There are lots of religions which hold the Bible to be useless. Even
Judaism and Mohammedism hold the New Testament in low esteem. To claim
someone is atheist on grounds of disrespecting your Bible is arrogance.

I don't see any other religion other than the Christian one in the
header. If you want to discuss other religions, which consider our Bible
"crap", then please post to the appropriate News Groups. That is unless it's
your intention to talk disparagingly about others people's beliefs behind
their backs?
Are you a gossiper?

Oh Frankie, you delusional mother. Firstly, there really ARE religions
which hold the bible (as it is so called) to be useless. This is a fact
and is not an issue for dispute. Virgil's point can not be argued
against. You will probably try. Secondly, the headers I see are;

alt.christian.religion, alt.atheism, alt.conspiracy.beyondweird,
alt.stupid.idiots, alt.bullshit, alt.support.nutty.as.a.fruitcake,
alt.eat-shit-and-die, alt.fuck.the.skull.of.jesus,
alt.i-hate.christians, alt.religion.kibology

So there you go again, do you have some kind of learning difficulty? As
this gets posted to the idiot groups, you should fit in quite well.

Thirdly, however you may dislike this, the bible is not OWNED by anyone,
and certainly not JUST christians and especially not you. Anyone can say
what they like about it, if you take offence then that is your problem.

Has it actually ever occured to your tiny mind-set that there may be
genuine christians on your "pristine" newsgroups that might want to read
what real people have to say about this bible issue. Perhaps they are
curious. Perhaps they want to understand how duped by satan are the
unredeemed. Perhaps they have there own reasons and don't wish to have
their reading material policed or censored by a closed minded little
twat like you. Your bigottry and closed minded protestations that insist
on suppression of information are a major offence to anyone who values
freedom of thought.

[TeaLady (Mari C.)]

Post by Pastor Frank

a.giganews.com...

In article

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Arthur Mullard
Now you are assuming I'm an atheist - just because I
think the so called bible is crap. Another assumption.
START THINKING. I'm not atheistic. "Assumption is the >>>>>

mother of all fuckups" - Penn, Under Siege II.

Post by Pastor Frank

Post by Pastor Frank
Theists think the Bible is Gods inerrant Word"?
Atheist think the Bible is crap, and you
tell us you are not an atheist? LOL How
about you are a liar?

There are lots of religions which hold the Bible to be
useless. Even Judaism and Mohammedism hold the New
Testament in low esteem. To claim someone is atheist on
grounds of disrespecting your Bible is arrogance.

I don't see any other religion other than the
Christian one in the header. If you want
to discuss other religions, which consider our
Bible "crap", then please post to the appropriate
News Groups. That is unless it's your intention
to talk disparagingly about others people's
beliefs behind their backs?

Are you a gossiper?
Oh Frankie, you delusional mother. Firstly, there really
ARE religions which hold the bible (as it is so called) to
be useless. This is a fact and is not an issue for dispute.
Virgil's point can not be argued against. You will probably
try. Secondly, the headers I see are;
alt.christian.religion, alt.atheism,
alt.conspiracy.beyondweird, alt.stupid.idiots,
alt.bullshit, alt.support.nutty.as.a.fruitcake,
alt.eat-shit-and-die, alt.fuck.the.skull.of.jesus,
alt.i-hate.christians, alt.religion.kibology
So there you go again, do you have some kind of learning
difficulty? As this gets posted to the idiot groups, you
should fit in quite well.
Thirdly, however you may dislike this, the bible is not
OWNED by anyone, and certainly not JUST christians and
especially not you. Anyone can say what they like about it,
if you take offence then that is your problem.
Has it actually ever occured to your tiny mind-set that
there may be genuine christians on your "pristine"
newsgroups that might want to read what real people have to
say about this bible issue. Perhaps they are curious.
Perhaps they want to understand how duped by satan are the
unredeemed. Perhaps they have there own reasons and don't
wish to have their reading material policed or censored by
a closed minded little twat like you. Your bigottry and
closed minded protestations that insist on suppression of
information are a major offence to anyone who values
freedom of thought.